Curse

Dante the Warlord · Sep 06, 2006, 01:33 PM // 13:33

I have a customized barbed shinobi blade with +5 energy and +20%. Which would be better a defense mod, or fortitude mod? I already own sentinals armor, so i was wondering if the extra AL would do nothing much....

SparhawkJC · Sep 06, 2006, 04:26 PM // 16:26

Eh...shouldn't have customized it, +5 energy mods are for runners and casters not for warriors. As far as defense or fortitude. Defense will prevent more damage in the long run than fortitude, however fortitude gives you a health buffer against degen and armor ignoring damage so choose whichever you're more afraid of.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 06, 2006, 05:11 PM // 17:11

i only got the sword because

1. it was only 5k

2. i am scared of customizing my sundering crellenated blade of fortitude because its good

3. i needed more energy so i could use apply poison and beserker's stance

Also, im just aking how much more extra damage will it save me if I already have 100 AL with sentinals armor and +16 AL with my sheild.

Skuld · Sep 06, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

If you're using a +5e mod you're sacrificing a load of damage. If you need energy use gladiator's armour if you need an initial cast above 25 (huh?) or zealous mod for the long run. Sundering sucks!

Dante the Warlord · Sep 06, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Sundering is really nice, i hate vampiric because i hate the health degeneration, and i always die from health degenerations. Although i have been thinking of buying a victo's blade and switching on and off. Zealous is that same deal. I use that sword generally to poison and lengthen bleeding, although ive beeen thinkiong of switching from a barbed mod to a poison mod. Most likely ill be getting the four types of swords: +5 energy (own now), 15%/-5 energy (own now, favorite PvP weapon), a 15^50 probably will own form victo's blade, and a 15/-10 armor since i own sentinal's armor and armor has diminishing effects.

I actually don't see the difference in damage, i have +20%/+5 energy, and I used to have a +15%/-5 energy without customizing. This all changed because I added aply poison. See "Need help with build" thread to see why.

warriorsmiley · Sep 07, 2006, 12:01 AM // 00:01

No warrior should ever have a +5 energy weapon period. If your running a high energy build like you are (which really isnt even a good build to begin with) use a zealous sword with a damage mod and get glads armor so you can have up to 27 armor. A zealous mod with the stance will net you more energy then you will naturally regen. Also do as the other person said and dump the sundering mod on your sword and get a more useful one like vamp 3/1 which will out damage your sundering mod hands down.

Reason i said using your apply poison is a bad build is because that is wasting a slot in which you can take a more useful skill maybe another attack skill or a defensive skill. Like the other person said if your trying to cast something that is gonna waste 25 energy you really have to rethink your build.

Thorin Monk · Sep 07, 2006, 04:16 AM // 04:16

1. Sundering Sucks
2. If you are getting hit by physical and elemental damage mostly, go with defense, it will reduce the amount you take, fortitude may look nice, but it doesn't help with damage negation, it's other practical use is for countering degen and armor ignoring i.e. holy, shadow, and a couple other things. Personally I use defense 99.9% of the time.

kazjun · Sep 07, 2006, 05:53 AM // 05:53

You could just use it for a running setup. Use the fort and the +5 energy and you can just run through. Shouldn't really take much serious damage (unless you get slowed, KDed or caught on something) so the defense isn't much help.

I wouldn't use the weap for damage though, unless your main damage is something like aftershock or something high energy. In which case go with the zealous as people have suggested, or even use warriors endurance. +4 energy per hit.

If you like poison, I'd suggest go W/N and use virulance, cheap cast and a ton of other conditions and degen on top. Won't even need too much investment in it, just recast on them when their monks fix them.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 07, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

Look...sundering and fortitude cost me losts of $$$$$ which took me over two months to make since i don't play for over 2 hours, and most likely now 4 hours tops a week.

You guys can't just flame me because i choose sundering!!! if i replace it that means BOOM 60k lost...

I will kick out apply poison, but just remember all i did was put more leniance to other enemies that don't have flesh those are usaully the undead that use hexes and stuff they always group up on me and cream me!!!! Thats why i use a fortitude mod....most warriors just strap on a glads armor and get the +8 energy boost while i choose to strap on a sentinals and have high AL... ...that way i kick out the defense mod. plus i have my sheild. so 116 AL level is a lot already...and i know that when you have so much AL you tend to have diminishing effects.

I am currently trying to buy a victo's blade...for the information you have given me, this blade will only be a cheap 5k..so its pretty nice....i just hate the other effect of only when its above 50 health and esp. hurt with the health degeneration. but usually when i die its because i get mobbed anyways.

Gigashadow · Sep 07, 2006, 08:21 PM // 20:21

Sundering is terrible. Get vampiric or zealous instead (I use zealous on my W/R to keep tiger's fury up).

Either defense or fortitude work, I have one of each. If you are going for tons of armor for PvE (using sentinels etc.), you can make it even better with a Defense mod on your weapon. +5ar is about an 8% damage reduction (although it doesn't work vs attack skill bonus damage). Also grab a shield that helps with further armor reduction. If you're playing a W/R with Tiger's Fury, you will almost always be in a stance, so you can use "-2 physical damage received while in a stance". Alternatively, grab a shield with a mod of "+10 vs [either slashing or blunt]".

When you are reducing your damage by such a large percentage, it makes the warrior rune of superior absorption more useful, as that is subtracted from what is left after armor is taken into account. It becomes increasingly better the less damage you were already taking.

Tingi · Sep 07, 2006, 08:35 PM // 20:35

yep, In PvE, I'm ALWAYS w/r with tigers furry and a zealous weapon. Sundering is a bad mod end of.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 07, 2006, 08:41 PM // 20:41

ARRRGGGGGG!!!!!! the next person to tell me to junk sundering ,why don't YOU give me 60k...then ill change it.

I think in addition to +5 energy sword, +15%/-5 with sundering and fortitude, +15%^50 victo's blade, i probably get another +15%/-5 energy and put on a defense mod and a furious mod

Gigashadow · Sep 07, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

Furious is not good either.

You really want:

- Vampiric
- Zealous
- Elemental (preferably Ebon or Cold if you are going to PvP at all) for fighting physically resistant targets

Skuld · Sep 07, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Just because you bought it for 60k doesn't mean it's good and you have to endorse it :|

Dante the Warlord · Sep 07, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Im not endorsing, i am saying that i don't want you to keep flaming me for using a sundering mod.... i just don't see how vampiric is so great.... all mods are equal in power ( in some way) and serve their purpose or else why would anyone make it anymore. sundering i believe is the best all purpose mod, while vampiric is the best for damage. i prefer a mod that i can use for everything.

I am an adrenaline user mainly, i don't see a purpose of elemental damages, other than that there will no longer be a physical dmage, which kills the ppl with 80 AL + 20 against physical attacks

I actually don't see the fuss about tiger's fury, i typed it in on guildwiki and it just increases attack speed by 33% for 10 seconds and disables other skills for 5 seconds, i can get that with beserker's stance and it has an effect of increasing adrenaline. I use my W/R for cool skills like pets and troll ungent.

Gigashadow · Sep 07, 2006, 10:34 PM // 22:34

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

all mods are equal in power ( in some way) and serve their purpose or else why would anyone make it anymore.

No they aren't. Do you think all skills are equal in power too? (or else why would they have so many?)

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

I am an adrenaline user mainly, i don't see a purpose of elemental damages, other than that there will no longer be a physical dmage, which kills the ppl with 80 AL + 20 against physical attacks

Elemental damage has nothing to do with adrenaline. You still gain adrenaline from damage dealt with an elemental weapon.

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

I actually don't see the fuss about tiger's fury, i typed it in on guildwiki and it just increases attack speed by 33% for 10 seconds and disables other skills for 5 seconds, i can get that with beserker's stance and it has an effect of increasing adrenaline. I use my W/R for cool skills like pets and troll ungent.

Berserker stance has a 30s reset and ends if you use a skill. Tiger's Fury has a 10s reset, doesn't end if you use a skill, and can easily be kept up 9 seconds out of every 10 if you use a zealous weapon.

Troll unguent and pets are absolutely terrible choices on a PvE warrior.

Franco · Sep 07, 2006, 10:41 PM // 22:41

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I use my W/R for cool skills like pets and troll ungent.

^^ Enough said there.

Close thread, no point argueing lol.

This guy wont understand that a Zealous mod can keep his energy up ALL the time even if he spammed apply poison, troll ungent and "comfort animal" (lmao), Vampiric mod is a better then sundering and the -1 degen that kills you.... You're meant to switch weapon so you dont have -1 all the time.

What they said about Ebon and Cold, its not because its elemental

, the guy mentioned this kind of damage for PvP warriors which have no armor against elemental, so it would be better then sundering.

Now don't need to get exalted, no one is flaming you for using sundering, we just saying that Zealous or Vampiric is better, Oh and its not our fault you spended 60k on a sundering mod

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Wouldnt a 20/19 do ?

Dante the Warlord · Sep 07, 2006, 11:28 PM // 23:28

Geez dude i already pointed out i knew all that about elemental damage as in my previous stated comment., i might have got u guys confused because i was in a rush and it seemed like a whole other comment.

As for tigers stance...not bad, but id still take beserker's stance, its much better with its better energy req. and additional adrenaline... in 10 seconds i already have all my adrenaline needed. at least most of them.and even if it gets stoped, i use whatever skils i have anyway, i.e. quivering blade and sever artery, which are definately my main killers.

i use troll ungent to regain health. and i change around with bonetti's defense and defensive stance to help me a little more.

I use sundering because its easy to use. vapiric makes me just un easy....but ill still get it... why do you guys keep saying 'sundering sucks" when i clearly am buying a victo's blade....geez...some of you guys are so ignorant.

FYI...saying SUNDERING SUCKS is considered flaming.

and yes all skills are created equal...otherwise everyone would have only one bar of skills...and we wouldn't have builds to use those skills to their full potential...there are no bad skills, just people stupi enough not to see that they have potential using the right skills.

Dante the Warlord · Sep 07, 2006, 11:29 PM // 23:29

Geez dude i already pointed out i knew all that about elemental damage as in my previous stated comment., i might have got u guys confused because i was in a rush and it seemed like a whole other comment.

As for tigers stance...not bad, but id still take beserker's stance, its much better with its better energy req. and additional adrenaline... in 10 seconds i already have all my adrenaline needed. at least most of them.and even if it gets stoped, i use whatever skils i have anyway, i.e. quivering blade and sever artery, which are definately my main killers.

i use troll ungent to regain health. and i change around with bonetti's defense and defensive stance to help me a little more.

I use sundering because its easy to use...why should i concentrate on the game so much and keep looking at three places at once ( health, enemy bar, incoming people)...I just like laying back and kicking everyone around with my cool weapon sets.

FYI...saying SUNDERING SUCKS is considered flaming.

and yes all skills are created equal...otherwise everyone would have only one bar of skills...and we wouldn't have builds to use those skills to their full potential...there are no bad skills, just people stupi enough not to see that they have potential using the right skills.

Silver_Fang · Sep 08, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

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Originally Posted by Dante the Warlord

Geez dude i already pointed out i knew all that about elemental damage as in my previous stated comment., i might have got u guys confused because i was in a rush and it seemed like a whole other comment.

As for tigers stance...not bad, but id still take beserker's stance, its much better with its better energy req. and additional adrenaline... in 10 seconds i already have all my adrenaline needed. at least most of them.and even if it gets stoped, i use whatever skils i have anyway, i.e. quivering blade and sever artery, which are definately my main killers.

i use troll ungent to regain health. and i change around with bonetti's defense and defensive stance to help me a little more.

I use sundering because its easy to use...why should i concentrate on the game so much and keep looking at three places at once ( health, enemy bar, incoming people)...I just like laying back and kicking everyone around with my cool weapon sets.

FYI...saying SUNDERING SUCKS is considered flaming.

and yes all skills are created equal...otherwise everyone would have only one bar of skills...and we wouldn't have builds to use those skills to their full potential...there are no bad skills, just people stupi enough not to see that they have potential using the right skills.

No, saying Sundering suck isnt flaming, saying you suck is flaming, we are just pointing out the fact that sundering is useless, nothing more, nothing less.

not all skill are equal. Are you saying Preservation is as good as ritual lord?